Interesting Whips on Ebay

Interesting Whips on Ebay

This morning I popped by ebay to see if anyone was selling any interesting whips.  There are a couple right now.

The first is an 8 foot 16 plait Terry Jacka bullwhip:

bullwhip

You can view the auction by clicking  here.  I don’t think I’ve really seen any of Jacka’s bullwhips with patterns on them so this was fun to see.

The other whip on ebay right now that is an 8 foot snake whip by Si Davey.

snake whip

You can view the auction by clicking here.  I don’t think I’ve ever cracked one of Si Davey’s whips, so with an opening bid at $250 this is a very tempting purchase!

Louie
http://bullwhips.org 

Bullwhip Buyers Beware!

Bullwhip Buyers Beware!

Every now and then I do a quick search on Ebay to see what whips are being sold and one caught my eye a few minutes ago.  Not because it’s an excellent deal, but how uneducated the seller is!  There is so much wrong with this listing, it’s making my head spin!

Does the seller not know who they bought it from?  I’m assuming it’s the original buyer because they are saying it’s only been cracked twice.  If they got it second hand you really couldn’t say that.

Ok, first here’s a link to the listing:  http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-12-Plait-Australian-Kangaroo-Hide-Bullwhip-Beautiful-/271055846007

Take a look at the pictures on the listing, this is supposed to be a 12 plait 10 foot Terry Jacka bullwhip.  Here’s the description from the ebay listing:

YOU ARE BIDDING “THE AUSTRALIAN BULLWHIP BY TERRY JACKA”; A BEAUTFUL PRE-OWNED (LIKE NEW) 10 FOOT 12 PLAIT KANGAROO HIDE BROWN BULLWHIP.

Description:  This is a beautifully crafted 10 foot 12 plait Australian Bullwhip hand crafted by Terry Jacka.  Made from the finest kangaroo leather this is a true work of art and one of a kind item.  The crack is truly thunderous!!

Condition:  This whip has been excellently cared for and is like new.  I’ve only cracked it twice and it has been mostly displayed in a temperature cooled cabinet.  I still have regularly treated it with Pecard’s leather dressing; as recently as last month.  The fall is brand new.

I’ve included PICS that I personally took which are completely accurate. (NOTE: I increased the sharpness to deliver clear images.)

Normally if you were to buy this whip new it would cost $800.00 USD.  I am starting the listing at nearly half that cost.  Buyer assumes all costs for shipping and handling.

Alright, so here’s my little list of what’s wrong with this listing:

1.  It’s not a Terry Jacka Bullwhip, it’s from EM-Brands Bullwhips (Bernie Wojcicki)

2. It’s not LIKE NEW.  The seller claims it’s only been cracked twice, but recently put a new fall on it.  Why would you put a new fall on a whip that’s only been cracked twice?  Did they crack it once, then change the fall?

Also look at the knot in the cracker after only one or two cracks you should be able to get it out pretty easily.  The knot in the cracker makes it not like new because no reputable whip maker would ship a whip with a cracker with a knot in it.  When a cracker has a knot in it you should change it out just like a windshield of a car that has a crack.  You wouldn’t sell a car with broken windshield as new…and you shouldn’t sell a bullwhip with broken cracker as new either.

3. If it’s a Jacka it’s got the wrong cracker on it, unless Terry Jacka has recently changed this he ships with Polypro crackers.  So by it not having the original cracker it’s got a replacment part and not like new.

4.  The listing says it’s 12 plait, it’s 16 plait…count the strands, there are 4 going under each strand in the four seam part of the lash right after the handle.

5. The listing says this bullwhip new would be $800.  I just checked and a 10 foot bullwhip from EM Brand Whips is $590 for 12 plait or $680 for 16plait.  Either way it’s over $100 below the price the seller is saying it would cost new.

Wait, maybe the seller actually thinks it’s a Jacka, what are his prices for a new 10 foot bullwhip.  I thought of that and from Terry Jacka a 10 foot bullwhip is $600 for 12 plait and $650 for 16 plait, or $150 below what the seller thinks it would cost new.

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OK those are my main issues with this bullwhip’s listing.  Now it’s not a bad bullwhip, but if someone were to try sell you a used VW Bug and tell you it’s a Porsche and tried to tell you that it was worth more than a new Porsche you’d probably stay away from the seller because the seller doesn’t know what they are talking about.  If they don’t know what make / model of what they have and they are the original owner how can you believe anything they tell you about condition?

Another thing is the seller took a lot of pictures and made sure to make sure they are clear pictures so the buyer knows what they are getting.  However there’s one thing they didn’t take a picture of, the piece of metal on the end of the handle of the whip.  Why wouldn’t you show that?  It’s a decorative piece that Bernie personally hand engraves and the ones that I’ve personally seen look really cool.   I also know that some of them say something like “handmade by Bernie Wojcicki for______” and a whip number.  I wonder if this one is simply decorated or has an engraving with Bernie’s name and the whip number?

All I can say is if you are going to buy or sell a whip do your research and know what you are buying or selling.   An honest description will sell a bullwhip much faster than a misleading one especially from a “known maker” and you’ll end up with the other person on the other end of the transaction much happier!

Louie
http://bullwhips.org 

Ostrich Bullwhip, Nylon Whipmaker and an Ebay Rant…

Ostrich Bullwhip, Nylon Whipmaker and an Ebay Rant…

I’ve gotten some more work on the bullwhip that will have an ostrich leg handle.  Right now I have the two bellies completed:

bullwhip

Sometime today I’m hoping to at least the the final bolster on it.

Last weekend I met a whipmaker named Derek after a show:

bullwhip

He makes nylon whips, it’s always nice to chat with another whipmaker.  I had a lot of questions for him because I don’t do nylon whip and they are very different from leather in how they are made.

Last night I was looking on ebay at what people are selling for whips.  Obviously I saw the David Morgan whip that was “used in Raiders by Harrison Ford“.  In my opinion for $47,500 this bullwhip better come with more than a stuntman saying it was used in the movie to verify it’s authenticity.  The seller claims that it was used on screen, so how about a still of it?  If it was actually in the movie it wouldn’t be to hard to get one…and the handle on this bullwhip looks very different from the handles of the whips assoicated with the Raiders movie, so it shouldn’t be hard to spot.  Also the seller says the whip is made from calf leather and to me it looks like kangaroo (but I’m not 100% positive from the picture) For me if I had the 50K, I’d pass on this.

The “Raider’s Whip” isn’t what my little rant is about.  It’s about another bullwhip being auctioned which you can view here:  http://www.ebay.com/itm/bullwhip-6ft-12-plait-kangaroo-indy-IV-style-/271031619986

For what it is the seller has it priced about right at $225, but my issue with it is in the description:

…something i do to all my whips is bevel the corners on the underside of all the strands which makes the overall whip alot smoother and aerodynamic which if this isnt done you will reaally end up with a cheap looking whip that doesnt look or crack as good …

I’ve got no problem with the typo’s in the listing or the huge run on sentence.  My issue is with the seller is saying that a bullwhip that is pared on opposite corners will:

  • Look like crap
  • Not crack well

The general thinking from whip makers that I respect and had talked to about paring when I was starting out is there is no one specific way to bevel your lace.  I personally agree that there is no one right way to do it.  All it will do it affect the texture / look of the whip, however that is all cosmetic.

I wonder if the seller is aware that Jacka used to (I don’t know if he still does) pare his strands on the  Indy IV bullwhips on opposite corners?  So this whip seller is making a copy of a whip, but making it incorrectly and saying that the whip he’s copying looks like crap and doesn’t crack well.

Hmmm…to me it sounds like someone doesn’t know what they are talking about.  Now for me to support my theory that you can pare a strand any way other than both flesh sides and it will be an awesome whip in both function and looks:

  • David Morgan – He made the most famous movie bullwhip in the world and he pares top left and bottom right.  I don’t think anyone would say his iconic bullwhip looks like crap.
  • Joe Strain –  Joe’s also made some very well know movie whips, including some that were in the Indy IV movie (that the seller is copying) and he frequently pares top right and bottom left.  I think you be hard pressed to find a professional whip cracker that would say that any of Joe Strains whips don’t crack well.
  • Chris Barr – In the USA we don’t hear about Chris Barr as much as we should.  His 72 plait stock whip is simply amazing!  Chris  has mentioned that he frequently doesn’t pare his lace at an angle, but leaves it with squared corners.  I’d be willing to bet you can’t find someone that has seen or cracked one of Chris’s whips that will say they look like crap or don’t crack well.

 

If those three people don’t support the theory that you can pare other than flesh side and end up with an awesome whip then you haven’t seen or cracked their whips.

The seller also says his whip is “…identical to the original whip even the knots are exactly the same …” .  This is one of those statement where the seller isn’t honestly looking  at their whip.  They knot shape is totally different from the shape on a Jacka Indy IV Bullwhip.

In my opinion when you are selling a movie copy bullwhip it should be an actual copy, not just something that matches the general color scheme.  Personally in principle I wouldn’t buy this bullwhip.  Here’s a tip when you are getting started in whip making be honest about what you are selling instead of hyping it up.  Oh and in your description don’t use one long sentence, break it up into multiple sentences it makes it so much easier to read.

Louie
http://bullwhips.org 

Jacka Repair

Jacka Repair

I just had a Jacka bullwhip come in for a repair.  The bullwhip’s owner said a mouse had chewed through several strands on the lash of the bullwhip.   The bullwhip’s owner agreed to lashing over the damaged portion after being presented with several options to fix the strands.

For more info on lashing see David Morgan’s Book Whips and Whip Making.

Here’s the bullwhip after having the lashing applied:

Terry Jacka bullwhip

While lashing is something that you can visually see, I did some shopping around to try to find an appropriate waxed cord that was a close color match to the color of the lash of the bullwhip.  The waxed cord I found was a couple of shades darker brown than the lash of the whip, however it looks better than using the standard colors of white or black.

This bullwhips is off to its owner tomorrow.

Louie
http://bullwhips.org 

Jacka Repair

Jacka Repair

On Friday I had a six foot Jacka that’s 10-15  years old come in for a new fall and possibly to get some strands fixed:

Terry Jacka bullwhip

When the whip showed up it was very dry, missing the fall and had a couple of broken strands right at the fall  hitch.

Terry Jacka bullwhip

The whips owner and I decided to move the move the fall hitch a couple inches up the whip.  That was an easy fix to the broken strands and probably a better solution than adding in 2 strands for the last inch of the whip.   Also this is probably a better fix than just leaving it with the broken strands.

Terry Jacka bullwhip
Terry Jacka bullwhip

I gave this whip a few flicks and it’s still got a lot of life left in it!  It was interesting to see  how the Jacka transition has held up over the years.

Louie
http://bullwhips.org

Bullwhip Progress…

Bullwhip Progress…

I’ve gotten some plaiting in today and finished about 4 1/2 feet of the overlay for this whip:

 

8 foot 12 plait bullwhip with rawhide core
8 foot 12 plait bullwhip with rawhide core

I started to do some fancy plaiting on the handle of this bullwhip…but then I decided I that I was going to make this bullwhip in the style of the Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull bullwhip.  

The rawhide core will give the whip the look of the stiffened transition of the Terry Jacka Bullwhip.  

Let Me Know What You Think

In the past I have had the comments option disabled on my blog because of the amount of SPAM comments that come in…however the quality of the Anti-Spam programs that I’m using now is pretty good, so starting with this post I’m allowing comments.  Feel free to let me know what you think of what I’m making or what I”m doing by leaving comments on my posts.  

Louie

http://bullwhips.org

KotCS bullwhip finished!

KotCS bullwhip finished!

Last night I put the final coat of shellac on this 8 foot Kingdom of the Crystal Skull style bullwhip.  It’s 12 plait made with whiskey and brandy colored kangaroo skins.

 

12 plait bullwhip

This bullwhip is 12 plait and it drops to an 8 plait point.  

 

bullwhip

The knots are the same kind that Terry Jacka used on the bullwhip used in the latest Indiana Jones movie.  

bullwhip coiled

I think that this is one of the best bullwhips that I’ve made so far.  It’s got a nice taper and a great crack!  The only thing I don’t like about this bullwhip is that it was made for someone else, and I can’t keep it for myself!

Once this bullwhip ships out on Monday I will have offically cleared out my waiting list of bullwhips!  It’s a nice feeling to be able to work on what  I want to work on.  I’d like to make a pair of 4 or 4 1/2 foot bullwhips for myself.  

I also want to do some more signal whips, I’m facinated by the braided cracker on them.  I don’t know why, but I think they look cool with the braided cracker.    Also I need to shoot some video of a new trick shot I’m doing with a signal whip (turning off and on a lamp with it!).

Louie

http://bullwhips.org

Old and New Indy Bullwhips

Old and New Indy Bullwhips

I’m almost finished making the two Indy Bullwhips, one is the old school Morgan Style and the other is the Jacka KotCS style.

David Morgan Style indiana jones bullwhip and Terry Jacka Style KotCS bullwhip

All the bullwhips need is a coat of shellac and they are ready to ship out.

When I finished making the 8 foot Morgan Style bullwhip I took a picture of all the scrap kangaroo that was left.  I pretty much used up the whole thing…but I cut with some slop, so there was plenty of lace.

Bullwhip making

Louie

http://bullwhips.org

Bullwhips coming down the pike…

Bullwhips coming down the pike…

Now that I finished that single tail my next project is to finish making a long handled bullwhip that I started about a week and a half ago.  It’s a 5.5 foot aussie bullwhip with a 12 inchsping steel handle.  I’ve got everything done except for the last layer.  I need to cut and prepare the lace and braid the overlay. 

After that I’ll be starting making and Indy IV bullwhip.  I’ve thought a lot about how I’m going to make this bullwhip and I’m going to make it with the new Indy whip look, but not construction. So I’ll make how I normally make my whips, so no long rigid handle to thong transition. 

My thinking is this:  I am trying to develop my own style as a whipmaker not just crank out copies.  Anyone can make a copy of a Morgan or Jacka and doing that doesn’t really set you apart from all the whipmakers.  the reason people get a whip from me is they like how my whips handle and if they want a Jacka they can get one of his…and I want to make whips that I handle how I like them to handle, not bullwhips that Jacka likes. 

Louie

www.bullwhips.org